tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post690447983957741830..comments2023-10-18T15:43:21.360+01:00Comments on Fair Deal Phil: Now Tebbit supports Labour not Davis on 42-days...fairdealphilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-52022149383958115562008-07-13T14:33:00.000+01:002008-07-13T14:33:00.000+01:00brynley:the higher the threat, the more we must do...brynley:<BR/><BR/>the higher the threat, the more we must do to ensure that those who would wish to carry out the threat are prevented from doing so.<BR/><BR/>you are right, of course, that it is the police who actually detain suspects in the interests of the security of all us.<BR/><BR/>but as a member of a police authority, i well aware that the police also have an increasing role in security and protection, particularly in anti-terrorism, in response to changing threats.<BR/><BR/>Back to the main point:<BR/><BR/>Locking up suspected terrorists on extremely rare occasions for a maximum of two weeks longer than presently permitted, to give those responsible for our security more time if required, to get the evidence they need, seems a small price to protect us all...<BR/><BR/>And it is nowhere near 'abandoning the rule of law' that was internment as used by various British Governments over the past 50 years and more, (which I oppose), nor the absolute abuse of human rights that was (and is) Guantanamo Bay, for instance.<BR/><BR/>42-days, with all its built-in protections and safeguards is, in my view, a reasonable response to the current threat....fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-85003009699198177102008-07-13T11:42:00.000+01:002008-07-13T11:42:00.000+01:00The higher the threat, the more our freedoms matte...The higher the threat, the more our freedoms matter.<BR/><BR/>It is not the security forces who detain people, Phil. It's the police and the criminal justice system.<BR/><BR/>As a sitting member of a police authority, you might know this already?<BR/><BR/>There will no doubt be atrocities.<BR/>It is the response that matters. To abandon the rule of law is to recruit for the oppos and corrupt the state.<BR/><BR/>Don't even think of going there. You give the impression of wanting the Black and Tans. No wonder Norman Tebbit is asking to join the Labour Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-24413049346755473612008-07-12T21:16:00.000+01:002008-07-12T21:16:00.000+01:00Michael:yes, terrorism has, as you say, existed fo...Michael:<BR/><BR/>yes, terrorism has, as you say, existed for the past fifty years.<BR/><BR/>And more.<BR/><BR/>But Guy Fawkes didn't have access to hi-tech computers and the world wide internet...<BR/><BR/>face facts: 7/7 saw home-grown terrorists slaughter more than 50 people and maim hundreds more.<BR/><BR/>the Government is not making up the very real threat: it is real and continuing.<BR/><BR/>we must, imho, give our security forces the tools needed to prevent a 9/11 in our country...<BR/><BR/>42-days with all the safeguards of appearances before the judiciary every seven days to justify further detention is a reasonable step in today's hi-tech world.<BR/><BR/>Thank goodness we have a Government prepared to take the tough decisions - as they did to sort the economy and make sure we can get through difficult world problems - and not salesman Cameron continually searching for a bandwagon to leap on.<BR/><BR/>If the security forces were forced to release a suspected terrorist after 28 days before they had completed their enquiries and an atrocity followed, you Michael, would be first in the queue demanding answer from Government.. <BR/><BR/>As for your speak of:<BR/><BR/>'powers that go against all conventions and liberties this country has always defended...'<BR/><BR/>do remind us, which flavour of Government introduced unlimited internment without charge...?<BR/><BR/>i note that 'you' will repeal 42-days if enacted before the next General Election.<BR/><BR/>may i ask which parliamentary seat you proposing to stand for...and for which party?fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-76674840955119323042008-07-12T17:25:00.000+01:002008-07-12T17:25:00.000+01:00And I am sure the Government is delighted to have ...And I am sure the Government is delighted to have these two tragedies to hark on about and to silence any opposition to its policies. Terrorism exists and has done in some form for the last fifty years. This does not convince most people that this incompetent and dishonest Government should be trusted with powers that go against all conventions and liberties this country has always defended.<BR/><BR/>As your poll ratings show, you aren't fooling anyone. This legislation is unlikely to make it through the Lords, and even if it does we will repeal it in two years anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-78165575369692209102008-07-12T12:24:00.000+01:002008-07-12T12:24:00.000+01:00brynley:thankfully, i don't need to 'rely' on big ...brynley:<BR/><BR/>thankfully, i don't need to 'rely' on big Norm...<BR/><BR/>but i do find myself strangely in agreement with him on this occasion.<BR/><BR/>it wasn't me that mentioned his maimed wife...it was him. i believe i reported his words almost verbatim.<BR/><BR/>on haltemprice, i never had any intention of standing...<BR/><BR/>as for the Labour Party not standing, various commentators agree with me that declining to enter into Davis's farce rather pulled the rug from under his stunt and left him looking rather silly - in my view.<BR/><BR/>The result added little or no significance on the serious civil liberties debate. I suspect many people who don't agree with his stand against 42 days (but not 28), DNA database and CCTV voted for him anyway...fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-60349254486716439282008-07-12T12:06:00.000+01:002008-07-12T12:06:00.000+01:00Michael:You are entitled to your view of course th...Michael:<BR/><BR/>You are entitled to your view of course that 42-days is an 'anti-terror scare' by Government...<BR/><BR/>Were 9/11, 7/7, and the failed London bombings just 'scares'...<BR/><BR/>Did i imagine the carnage and slaughter of people...?fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-44455581946612313712008-07-12T11:44:00.000+01:002008-07-12T11:44:00.000+01:00It seems a curious argument to me, Phil.You say th...It seems a curious argument to me, Phil.<BR/><BR/>You say that David Davis beat off a lot of candidates, some of whom were loons and assorted Elvis impersonators.<BR/><BR/>But isn't that because you chose not to stand for fear of getting beaten?<BR/><BR/>It obviously matters because you are blogging away about it.<BR/><BR/>But you do not tell us who a Labour supporter should have voted for.<BR/><BR/>Presumably the greens, who came second.<BR/><BR/>But they are not in favour of internment either.<BR/><BR/>So your argument is hard to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-30114216024093688832008-07-12T11:34:00.000+01:002008-07-12T11:34:00.000+01:00Norman Tebbit.You need to rely on Norman Tebbit.Sa...Norman Tebbit.<BR/><BR/>You need to rely on Norman Tebbit.<BR/><BR/>Says it all, really. You are most welcome to each other.<BR/><BR/>The prisons are full mainly because of longer sentences, but also because of more restrictive release regimes, by the way.<BR/><BR/>The danger of internment is that it recruits for the oppos and corrupts the state.<BR/><BR/>Since you mention the maimed Mrs Tebbit in the unfortunate way that you do, it might be worth reflecting on the Northern Ireland experience.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>It is dishonest to pretend otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-64972887606830322452008-07-12T04:41:00.000+01:002008-07-12T04:41:00.000+01:00I stopped reading this halfway through Phil, but I...I stopped reading this halfway through Phil, but I got as far as "Norman Tebbit supports crack down on towel wearing extremists" shocker.<BR/><BR/>What was your next story? "There is sand in the desert" exclusive? "Water linked to cure for thirst" blockbuster? "Bear shit in the woods" discovery? Too many holes in this story to even bother with a serious argument. But then you need some cover for this pathetic Government, and an anti-terror scare is the only way people might miss Broon's obvious incompetence.<BR/><BR/>Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com