tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post6572857048071634476..comments2023-10-18T15:43:21.360+01:00Comments on Fair Deal Phil: The right to bear arms...fairdealphilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-73777867732943094182007-04-21T22:17:00.000+01:002007-04-21T22:17:00.000+01:00michael:>>"one person has died by gun wounds in a ...michael:<BR/><BR/>>>"one person has died by gun wounds in a day.">><BR/><BR/>you're wrong again michael. <BR/><BR/>on average, almost as many people die in gun incidents in America EVERY DAY as died at Virginia Tech on Monday.<BR/><BR/>Of course the Americans will make their own laws: and I and others will continue to exercise our right to comment on them.<BR/><BR/>as for the "constitutional right" to bear arms, it has long been argued that the Second Amendment gives the state, rather than the individual, the "right" to bear arms and raise a militia.<BR/><BR/>Even if the wider interpretation of the two centuries-old is accepted, (as it undoubtedly is in the US) it was written in the days of muskets, not 21st century automatics (unlike shotguns that fire just two rounds before needing reload)...<BR/><BR/>It cannot be right in any society that claims to be civilised that a madman can buy lethal weapons without proper checks or regulation that allow him to take 30 innocent lives in a few minutes.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-8653294314608068302007-04-21T15:58:00.000+01:002007-04-21T15:58:00.000+01:00So in fact there ARE law-abiding gunowners in Brit...So in fact there ARE law-abiding gunowners in Britain. If you had dignity, you would apologise for branding them criminals. I won't hold my breath.<BR/><BR/>So in a nation of 300m people, one person has died by gun wounds in a day. Congratulations. But hardly a case to strip people of their constitutional rights. How about we let Americans set their own laws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-63422499673999812602007-04-21T15:27:00.000+01:002007-04-21T15:27:00.000+01:00Not in this country. Thankfully, the Labour Govern...Not in this country. <BR/><BR/>Thankfully, the Labour Government banned handguns as promised in its election manifesto. <BR/><BR/>It is still possible of course to own shotguns, subject to police checks and inspections, stringent regulations re storage, and a tightened up licencing regime...<BR/><BR/>...another day, another shooting for American to wake up to...but i know they won't.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-10317553598755323002007-04-21T01:58:00.000+01:002007-04-21T01:58:00.000+01:00There are many. You might want to check the law on...There are many. You might want to check the law on this Phil. You obviously aren't familiar with it...or indeed much else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-77605829801703191332007-04-21T00:25:00.000+01:002007-04-21T00:25:00.000+01:00hello planet zog:a decent law-abiding gun owner?hello planet zog:<BR/><BR/>a decent law-abiding gun owner?fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-61467174945484795692007-04-19T14:00:00.000+01:002007-04-19T14:00:00.000+01:00I don't remembering saying that. Your article ment...I don't remembering saying that. Your article mentioned all gun owners. I defended decent lawabiding gun owners. Lunatics should be locked up. Simple. But then who would run local Government?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-20434373845780666822007-04-19T10:18:00.000+01:002007-04-19T10:18:00.000+01:00michael:i'm sure families of the 32 victims of the...michael:<BR/><BR/>i'm sure families of the 32 victims of the Virginia bloodbath would be impressed that you vigorously respect the 'rights' of mentally disturbed students to freely buy guns with groceries.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-36017748985297120982007-04-19T00:13:00.000+01:002007-04-19T00:13:00.000+01:00I don't have a gun and I don't want one. I just re...I don't have a gun and I don't want one. I just respect others' rights. An alien concept to you Phil. Now stop being such an old woman and get real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-32684451989065947932007-04-18T20:48:00.000+01:002007-04-18T20:48:00.000+01:00michael:that's rich coming from someone whose idea...michael:<BR/><BR/>that's rich coming from someone whose idea of freedom is linked to the right to possess a gun...even the most mentally disturbed.<BR/><BR/>That's just plain crazy.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-22846777533978110202007-04-18T15:03:00.000+01:002007-04-18T15:03:00.000+01:00You are a Labour councillor Phil. What would you k...You are a Labour councillor Phil. What would you know about freedom?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-20874614812403095442007-04-18T14:59:00.000+01:002007-04-18T14:59:00.000+01:00michael:the falling crime figures are not mine and...michael:<BR/><BR/>the falling crime figures are not mine and they are not "made up" either.<BR/><BR/>here in Lincolnshire, they're published by the Chief Constable, a man of impeccable integrity and not known as a "liar".<BR/><BR/>if you lived anywhere in UK, you could count the extra police and police community support officers for yourself.<BR/><BR/>may i suggest you talk to the daily mail about your campaign for more hand guns and fewer speed guns: they're always on the look out for a front page. <BR/><BR/>pleased to hear you know the difference between a speed gun and a hand gun and that the former currently has a greater effect on your life...<BR/><BR/>i agree that murder sprees are thankfully rare, but of course it only takes a split second for a hand gun in the wrong hands to spoil your whole day.<BR/><BR/>here's to freedom.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-12123947096168220662007-04-18T10:58:00.000+01:002007-04-18T10:58:00.000+01:00"Why would anyone want a gun (particularly in Brit..."Why would anyone want a gun (particularly in Britain) if not for illegal activity?"<BR/><BR/>1. Hunting<BR/>2. Leisure or sport<BR/>3. Self defence<BR/><BR/>Probably more, if I devoted serious thought to such a ridiculous question.<BR/><BR/>"Are you really suggesting that the best way to deal with burglary is to arm every householder?"<BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/>"Maybe we should send the criminal classes to Australia. That'll teach em eh...".<BR/><BR/>Doubt it. I have been there. The John Howard Government has made Australia a far better place to live than Britain. It might be the best way to prompt a crime wave.<BR/><BR/>"The truth is that the current Government has increased police presence on the street (after previous cuts). <BR/><BR/>Burglaries (whether of the middle classes or not) are significantly down over the past ten years."<BR/><BR/>No one believes your made up figures. The Government have been shown to be a bunch of criminals and liars.<BR/><BR/>"We don't need guns in this country to tackle burglary!"<BR/><BR/>I suspect the victims of this crime would disagree.<BR/><BR/>"Of course, there are still illegal weapons around, but since guns have been banned - again by our present Government - thankfully there hasn't been another Dunblane or Hungerford."<BR/><BR/>Coincidence. There were hardly such incidents every year when handguns were legal. They are, by their nature, rare events. I have no doubt that the ban on various weapons makes such an event no less likely. Indeed due to the rapid increase in illegal guns, gun crimes are now much higher. Someone not doing it in a school shouldn't confuse you Brynley.<BR/><BR/>"Anyone caught with a gun in this country now faces an automatic five years prison sentence."<BR/><BR/>Going through the motions cons only the stupidest people. How many people have actually been sent to jail under this law?<BR/><BR/>"Roads policing has to have the consent of the majority of the motoring public - which is why the current Government brought in measures to have speed cameras painted yellow and not hidden behind hedges etc."<BR/><BR/>I doubt many motorists have time for this tyranny, and I suspect you are whistling in the wind if you do. The only reason the cameras were changed was because the public just refused to accept it any longer.<BR/><BR/>"Guns you can buy in US supermarkets are designed to take lives.<BR/><BR/>Speed guns are designed to save lives.<BR/><BR/>I prefer to live with the latter."<BR/><BR/>Vive la difference. But I know which gun has a great effect on my life. Motorists and gun users should defend their rights. Governments rarely respect freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-58756095250244119872007-04-18T10:23:00.000+01:002007-04-18T10:23:00.000+01:00michael:>>"It is almost impossible to get a gun, u...michael:<BR/><BR/>>>"It is almost impossible to get a gun, unless you wish to do it illegally, in which case it is very easy."<BR/><BR/>Why would anyone want a gun (particularly in Britain) if not for illegal activity?<BR/><BR/>>>"No wonder most American gun owners want to keep their guns."<BR/><BR/>Are you really suggesting that the best way to deal with burglary is to arm every householder??<BR/><BR/>>>"And the middle classes are neglected or persecuted by the state. Their houses are robbed, yet the police are only interested in picking them off for more tax with speed guns."<BR/><BR/>Class wars again eh Michael? <BR/><BR/>Maybe we should send the criminal classes to Australia. That'll teach em eh...<BR/><BR/>The truth is that the current Government has increased police presence on the street (after previous cuts). <BR/><BR/>Burglaries (whether of the middle classes or not) are significantly down over the past ten years.<BR/><BR/>We don't need guns in this country to tackle burglary!<BR/><BR/>Of course, there are still illegal weapons around, but since guns have been banned - again by our present Government - thankfully there hasn't been another Dunblane or Hungerford.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it could happen with an illegal weapon, but as you say, it's harder to get a gun these days, which makes another Dunblane/Hungerford/Virginia Tech less likely here.<BR/><BR/>Anyone caught with a gun in this country now faces an automatic five years prison sentence.<BR/><BR/>>>"yet the police are only interested in picking them off for more tax with speed guns."<BR/><BR/>Roads policing has to have the consent of the majority of the motoring public - which is why the current Government brought in measures to have speed cameras painted yellow and not hidden behind hedges etc.<BR/><BR/>If the choice is which kind of gun our society is obsessed with, my vote's with the speed gun. <BR/><BR/>Guns you can buy in US supermarkets are designed to take lives.<BR/><BR/>Speed guns are designed to save lives.<BR/><BR/>I prefer to live with the latter.fairdealphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07246131944479743426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-65702949992108045262007-04-18T09:56:00.000+01:002007-04-18T09:56:00.000+01:00You missed it Brynley. It is the reference to the ...You missed it Brynley. It is the reference to the foundation of this great country. It is hardly self-hate to say that the establishment in Britain is geared towards harassing decent people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-47818991384530490622007-04-18T08:41:00.000+01:002007-04-18T08:41:00.000+01:00"They are the best of our people".Could this be th..."They are the best of our people".<BR/><BR/>Could this be the self-hating Michael?<BR/><BR/>If not, then it's still great nostalgia.<BR/><BR/>Do you remember when America was run by people of Anglo-Saxon heritage?<BR/><BR/>Michael, I think you are dreaming about an America that no longer exists.<BR/><BR/>I prefer the U.S. we have today, with all its faults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20661330.post-58018669600495209332007-04-18T00:41:00.000+01:002007-04-18T00:41:00.000+01:00I am very sorry for the people affected by this ou...I am very sorry for the people affected by this outrage.<BR/><BR/>What the whole anti-gun lobby fail to observe is that their persecution of an overwhelmingly peaceful and law abiding group of citizens simply unites them. Whether they like it or not, the history of America is such that the right to possess a gun is linked to freedom. The example of Britain will surely drive them on. It is almost impossible to get a gun, unless you wish to do it illegally, in which case it is very easy. And the middle classes are neglected or persecuted by the state. Their houses are robbed, yet the police are only interested in picking them off for more tax with speed guns. No wonder most American gun owners want to keep their guns. I wish them good luck. They are the best of our people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com